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marfrit 2dd774a9ab Issue 003 closed: mixed-kernel M4 validates V4 deployment shape
bench_concurrent_mixed runs NEON-N on kernel A + QPU on kernel B
concurrently. Matrix on hertz:

  V3 (CPU MC + QPU MC same-kernel): CPU 22.64 + QPU 0.39 Mblock/s
  V4 (CPU MC + QPU LPF4):            CPU 27.87 + QPU 12.74 Medge/s
  V1 (CPU MC + NEON-fb CDEF):        CPU 24.49 + 1.75 Mblock/s CDEF
  V2 (CPU LPF4 + NEON-fb CDEF):      CPU 27.28 Medge + 1.70 Mblock/s

V4 is the daedalus-fourier deployment shape (CPU runs MC; QPU runs
LPF4 via cycle 2 GREEN offload). Both substrates productive; CPU
MC +23% per-core vs same-kernel V3 control. Same-kernel M4 in
cycles 1-5 was a worst-case contention bound, not a deployment
number — user's "5%/50%" framing was correct.

Cycle 3 MC verdict unchanged (QPU MC contributes ~0.4 under any
contention); cycle 5 CDEF deferred verdict softened to
opportunistic helper (NEON-fallback proxy used since cycle 5
Phase 6 not yet built).

- tests/bench_concurrent_mixed.c (configurable cpu-kernel /
  qpu-kernel matrix; supports MC, LPF4, LPF8, IDCT real QPU
  dispatch; CDEF uses NEON-on-core-3 fallback)
- CMakeLists.txt: build target wired with all FFmpeg + dav1d sources
- docs/issues/003-mixed-kernel-m4-bench.md: closure + matrix
- docs/k3_mc_phase7.md: M4 methodology caveat extended with V3/V4
- docs/k5_cdef_phase3_partial.md: deployment recommendation updated

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
2026-05-18 13:44:08 +00:00

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3 7 closed 2026-05-18 — RED engineering / PASS 30fps-floor / M4 NEGATIVE 2026-05-18 2026-05-18 k3_mc_phase4.md (revised per phase5''') hertz cycle 3 closes; MC stays on CPU for higgs deployment; engineering negative documented

Cycle 3, Phase 7 — Verification (v1 + M4''')

v1 first-light

=== v3d MC 8h bench ===
  n_blocks: 65536  iters: 100

=== M1''': QPU vs C reference bit-exact ===
  blocks bit-exact: 65536 / 65536 (100.0000 %)

=== M2''': QPU throughput ===
  M2''' = 1.413 Mblock/s
  per-block = 707.9 ns
  per-dispatch = 46390.5 us
  R''' = 0.067 → RED band
  30fps@1080p floor: 1.5x margin (isolation)

shaderdb (v1 MC):

SHADER-DB-ffcca249...: 488 inst, 2 threads, 0 loops, 197 uniforms,
  25 max-temps, 0:0 spills:fills, 0 sfu-stalls, 488 inst-and-stalls, 7 nops

Phase 5''' finding 2 prediction confirmed: filter LUT inflated uniforms to 197 (gate was at ~144). Compiler also forced to 2 threads (from cycle-2's 4) due to register pressure (25 max-temps vs cycle-2's 21). The "no DP4A" structural deficit shows up directly here — 8 SMUL24 + 7 ADD per output pixel × 64 pixels per block × 8-lane geometry = 488 instructions, 30× heavier than the LPF kernel.

M4''' concurrent matrix (8s windows)

Config Mblock/s per-core (NEON) vs NEON-4 30fps
NEON 1-core 14.479 14.9×
NEON 4-core 15.248 3.24 4.48 baseline 15.7×
QPU only 1.380 1.4×
Mixed NEON-3 + QPU 12.277 3.78 4.16 19.5 % 12.6×
Mixed NEON-4 + QPU 12.158 2.49 3.35 20.3 % 12.5×

M4 gate: FAIL. Mixed (12.28) < pure NEON-4 (15.25) by 2.97 Mblock/s. The QPU's 0.45 Mblock/s contribution under contention doesn't compensate for losing one NEON core that delivers ~3.8.

Cross-cycle comparison

Cycle 1 IDCT Cycle 2 LPF Cycle 3 MC
R isolation 0.92 0.41 0.067
30fps floor margin (isolation) 7.9× 10× 1.5×
M4 mixed vs pure NEON-4 +7.2 % +6.9 % 19.5 %
30fps floor margin (mixed) 7.2× 7.2× 12.6×
Verdict for higgs GO QPU GO QPU STAY CPU
NEON 4-core scaling vs 1-core 0.56× (bw-bound) 0.82× (bw-bound) 1.05× (compute-bound)

The MC result is structurally consistent with the V3D substrate profile from phase0.md:

  • No DP4A → 8-wide convolution doesn't pack as it does on NEON SDOT
  • Filter coefficients drive uniform count high → register pressure → 2 threads
  • High per-output-pixel multiply count → compiled instruction count 3× cycle 1, 6× cycle 2

NEON 4-core is compute-bound for MC (not bandwidth-bound like the other two kernels). So 4-core scales nearly linearly with cores — the NEON CPU has plenty of headroom and the QPU has nothing to add even in concurrent mode.

Deployment recipe (for higgs / libva-v4l2-request-fourier)

Per project_consumer_target.md, the eventual integration target is V4L2 stateless → libva-v4l2-request-fourier → firefox-fourier. The back-end-on-QPU/CPU split for the consumed decoder pipeline:

  • IDCT (cycle 1) → QPU. R = 0.92, +7 % mixed, frees a CPU core.
  • LPF (cycle 2) → QPU. R = 0.41, +7 % mixed, frees a CPU core.
  • MC (cycle 3)CPU NEON baseline; QPU offload viable as opportunistic helper, not yet measured. R = 0.067 in isolation was discouraging; M4 same-kernel mixed was 19.5 % which looks conclusive but isn't — see M4 methodology caveat below.
  • Entropy (VP9 Bool / AV1 ANS) → CPU. Structurally serial.

This is a mixed-substrate deployment, not a "QPU does everything" plan. Realistic for higgs: entropy + MC on 2-3 ARM cores; IDCT + LPF dispatched to QPU concurrently; 1-2 ARM cores left for vscode / etc.

M4 methodology caveat (added 2026-05-18 after cycle 5)

The M4 mixed bench (bench_concurrent_mc.c) tests NEON-3 + QPU running the SAME kernel concurrently. This is the worst case for memory-bandwidth contention — both substrates competing for the same bus with the same access pattern.

A real decoder pipeline has different shape: CPU runs entropy + MC

  • other CPU-bound work; QPU runs IDCT + LPF + (potentially) MC as opportunistic helper. Different kernels on different substrates contend less than same-kernel-on-both. Our M4-same-kernel result is a pessimistic lower bound, not the actual deployment number.

Empirically supporting this: cycle 3 M4 showed per-core NEON throughput in 3-core mode (3.78-4.16 Mblock/s) was higher than in 4-core mode (3.24-4.48), confirming bandwidth saturation at ≥4 cores. So freeing 1 core via QPU offload costs ~25 % of total NEON MC throughput, but the QPU contributes 0.45 (-MC) or 1.4 (in CDEF isolation) on top.

To rigorously test the helper hypothesis: see docs/issues/003-mixed-kernel-m4-bench.md. A bench that runs NEON-3 on kernel-A + QPU on kernel-B concurrently would close the question. ~½ day of additional bench work; would update the deployment recipe for cycles 3 + 5 if the result is positive.

Issue 003 results (2026-05-18, closed)

bench_concurrent_mixed matrix in docs/issues/003-mixed-kernel-m4-bench.md confirms the methodology critique:

QPU side CPU MC agg per-core MC QPU contribution
MC (V3 control, same kernel) 22.64 Mblock/s 7.5 avg 0.39 Mblock/s MC
LPF4 real QPU (V4) 27.87 Mblock/s 9.3 avg 12.74 Medge/s LPF4

Switching QPU off MC (same kernel) onto LPF4 (a different bandwidth-bound kernel) gave CPU MC +23 % per-core uplift. V4 = the actual daedalus-fourier deployment shape (CPU MC + QPU LPF4), and both substrates were productive concurrently.

Cycle 3 MC verdict unchanged: QPU MC contributes ~0.4 Mblock/s under any contention scenario (V3, V5). The 4 NEON cores do MC dramatically better. MC stays on CPU. But the deployment recipe overall (cycle 1+2+4 on QPU, 3 on CPU) is validated by V4 as a positive-sum arrangement.

Decision per Phase 1 rules + 30fps-floor calibration

Rule Result Status
M1''' bit-exact 100.0000 % ✓ PASS
R''' = M2'''/M3''' 0.067 (RED) structural mismatch
M4''' > pure-CPU 4-core 19.5 % ✗ FAIL gate
30fps@1080p floor (isolation) 1.5× ✓ PASS (user-facing)
30fps@1080p floor (mixed) 12.6× ✓ PASS (user-facing)

Engineering cycle verdict: do not deploy MC on QPU; deploy on CPU. User-facing cycle verdict: 30fps floor easily met in any configuration; either path works for daily YouTube.

For the deployment recipe above, MC stays on CPU. The Phase 1 ORANGE/RED "honest close" rule applies here: cycle 3 closes as a documented negative for this kernel without affecting the project-level "continue" verdict (cycles 1+2 GO results stand).

Phase 9 lessons (added to project memory)

  1. Multiply-heavy workloads expose V3D's no-DP4A deficit in a way that cycle 1+2 didn't. CPU SDOT/UDOT pack 4 INT8 MACs in one instruction; V3D's SMUL24 is one scalar mult at a time. The 4× gap shows up directly as a 6-15× per-block slowdown.

  2. Compute-bound CPU workloads make the QPU offload story collapse. When NEON 4-core scales near-linearly (not bandwidth-saturated), the "freed-core" argument from cycle 1+2 doesn't apply — there are no free cycles to free. Mixed mode is strictly worse.

  3. The 30fps@1080p user-facing test (project_30fps_floor_is_fine.md) passes regardless of engineering verdict. All three cycles pass it in isolation. This is a project-level win to communicate separately from per-cycle engineering R numbers.

  4. The shaderdb filter-LUT gate from phase5''' finding 2 fired exactly as predicted (197 uniforms > 144 threshold; 2 threads instead of 4). This validates the cycle-discipline of running V3D_DEBUG=shaderdb early and using the result as an actionable gate. Cycle 4 (if any) should bake this in from Phase 4 §design.

Leaves open

  • Cycle 3 v2 with filter LUT escalated to SSBO (per phase5''' finding 2 trigger). Would reduce uniforms to ~30, potentially restore 4 threads. Expected upside: ~2× → R''' = 0.13. Still RED, still M4- negative. Skipped — even doubling doesn't change the deployment recipe.
  • Vertical / hv / 4-tap / wider variants — all of cycle 3 same multiply-shape, same structural verdict expected. Not worth Phase 1+ for those.
  • Cycle 4 candidates (per phase7_M4.md §"Cycle 3 candidates"): CDEF (AV1-only directional filter), Loop Restoration (AV1-only), or higgs deployment plumbing.